Talk:Ethics and Conduct - Revision history

Jschrempp at 01:17, 9 February 2022

2022-02-09T01:17:52Z

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	== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==		== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==
	Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


	== Sell, vend, petition, marketing for outside vendors policy? ==		== Sell, vend, petition, marketing for outside vendors policy? ==

	I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


	== Sleeping ==		== Sleeping ==
	some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?		some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?

Jschrempp: /* Fairness and Safety */

2022-02-09T01:17:40Z

Fairness and Safety

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	I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


	~~== Fairness and Safety ==~~
	I read this, "It's not fair to hold people accountable for safety when they don't know what it means." and I'm not sure how to interpret this. If someone is doing something unsafe, then we have to accountable, even if they didn't know it was unsafe. How we hold them accountable can vary - make them take a class, deny access to a machine or area, ask them to leave now, suspend their membership, etc. It may not be "fair" but we all have a responsibility to work safely, whatever that means. [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])

	~~We're expecting and holding people accountable to be safe in a variety of ways. We should tell them what it means.~~
	~~of course if people aren't being safe we're ultimately accountable as an organization.~~
	~~I added it because I wanted to soften the tone by providing reasons we're doing things.~~
	Perhaps there's another way to do that at that point. Perhaps it should just read: 'We want you to know what 'safe' means at MakerNexus'. --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 22:53, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

	== Sleeping ==		== Sleeping ==
	some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?		some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?

Jschrempp: /* Prohibit sexual activity? Does this need to be explicit? */

2022-02-09T01:16:47Z

Prohibit sexual activity? Does this need to be explicit?

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	I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		I think this is a separate policy --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


	~~== Prohibit sexual activity? Does this need to be explicit? ==~~

	~~I saw it in a few sites. Seems like something can be left out until a problem arises. --[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)~~

	== Fairness and Safety ==		== Fairness and Safety ==

Jschrempp: /* 'on premise' may be more than the building because of outdoor activities. */

2022-02-09T01:16:18Z

'on premise' may be more than the building because of outdoor activities.

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	== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==		== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==
	Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)


	~~== 'on premise' may be more than the building because of outdoor activities. ==~~

	~~I don't want people to leave pets in a car which is another risk.~~
	~~I made a glossary section to clarify it's more than just the building, it's the grounds too.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)~~

Jschrempp: /* When can a minor sign a waver and use equipment with adult supervision. */

2022-02-09T01:15:56Z

When can a minor sign a waver and use equipment with adult supervision.

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	~~== When can a minor sign a waver and use equipment with adult supervision. ==~~
	~~Depends on what insurance says. Does an equipment have a minimum age for use no matter the supervision?~~
	~~A sewing machine is different than a CNC machine.~~

	~~What's the minimum supervision 1 minor = 1 adult required? is it different for different age/maturity? Who adjudicates?~~

	~~What do you do if the kid breaks the rules and there's no guardian on premise or a kid is left without an adult?~~

	~~I just left it as requiring close supervision.~~

	~~--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 03:01, 17 September 2018 (EDT)~~

	== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==		== No drinking alcohol on premise? ==
	Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)		Too bad. Liability to allow is awful.--[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]] ([[User talk:Sbaker\|talk]]) 23:08, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Jschrempp: /* Can members have guests and if so can a guest touch equipment or tools? */

2022-02-09T01:15:32Z

Can members have guests and if so can a guest touch equipment or tools?

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	~~== Can members have guests and if so can a guest touch equipment or tools? ==~~
	~~Yes, members can have guests. However, I think insurance coverage will dictate the answer to the second part.~~
	~~What does MN insurance say about guests touching equipment and tools?<br>~~
	~~Would MN insurance cover if they slip and fell? sew a finger? hammer a thumb? I suspect it depends a little on the tool.~~

	~~To me this isn't Ethics and Conduct, it's the 'Guest Policy'. If we do allow a guest they are bound by the same Ethics and Conduct.~~
	~~I'd have a separate document for that policy.~~
	~~[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]]~~

	== When can a minor sign a waver and use equipment with adult supervision. ==		== When can a minor sign a waver and use equipment with adult supervision. ==
	Depends on what insurance says. Does an equipment have a minimum age for use no matter the supervision?		Depends on what insurance says. Does an equipment have a minimum age for use no matter the supervision?

Jschrempp: /* Materials Move Around */

2022-02-09T01:15:14Z

Materials Move Around

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	~~== Materials Move Around ==~~
	~~I don't understand this: "Insure materials move around the facility and are stored in a safe and approved manner." [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])~~

	~~I found this in one of the Maker Ethics, and it seems to be from the Dept of Labor, Materials and Handling Guidelines.~~
	~~But I recall hearing similar in a couple of my classes.~~
	~~It's to insure when move or store materials, you are safe about it. I've added some examples.~~
	~~For example:~~
	* Don't walk thru the maker space with something dangerous (acid, etc) that's easy to spill. Put a lid on it, etc.
	* Don't store an acid in something it can eat thru sometime late at night when nobody is around. Keep it in an approved container. AND Don't store a flammable in an open container.
	~~[[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]]~~

	== Can members have guests and if so can a guest touch equipment or tools? ==		== Can members have guests and if so can a guest touch equipment or tools? ==
	Yes, members can have guests. However, I think insurance coverage will dictate the answer to the second part.		Yes, members can have guests. However, I think insurance coverage will dictate the answer to the second part.

Jschrempp: /* Overall Policy */

2022-02-09T01:12:24Z

Overall Policy

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	~~== Overall Policy ==~~
	~~I think we should say we reserve the right to alter the policy at any time to meet our objectives. [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])~~

	~~Agreed. I added the below. May be a bit strong. [[User:Sbaker\|Sbaker]]~~

	~~''The Board of Supervisors reserves the right to alter or amend the rules as it determines appropriate for the safety of its members.~~
	''

	== Materials Move Around ==		== Materials Move Around ==
	I don't understand this: "Insure materials move around the facility and are stored in a safe and approved manner." [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])		I don't understand this: "Insure materials move around the facility and are stored in a safe and approved manner." [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])

Jschrempp: /* Deadnaming */

2022-02-09T01:10:54Z

Deadnaming

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	~~== Deadnaming ==~~
	~~I don't know what this means. [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])~~

	~~deadname is the birth name of a person who has since changed their name (especially a transgender person).~~
	~~Deadnaming is refusing to call a person by their name, only by their deadname.~~

	== Overall Policy ==		== Overall Policy ==
	I think we should say we reserve the right to alter the policy at any time to meet our objectives. [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])		I think we should say we reserve the right to alter the policy at any time to meet our objectives. [[User:Jschrempp\|Jschrempp]] ([[User talk:Jschrempp\|talk]])

Sbaker: /* Sleeping */

2018-09-21T03:48:26Z

Sleeping

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	== Sleeping ==		== Sleeping ==
	some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?		some makerspaces prohibit it (ie lying prone sleep) and not prohibit napping (sitting asleep). Can we avoid til we have to add it?

	~~== Sleeping ==~~